Amrayu78 Thanks for the mockup. But it sounds complicated...

We need to break it down into steps to make it work.

Let's talk about the buttons first. I'm not quite sure how the process of becoming a fan works.

Step 1. BUTTONS. 💖 Become a Fan button.

General questions - Is this the optimal and cleanest way to create an Oshi Shrine? Is the Become a Fan button necessary? After all, if the user has not created an Oshi Shrine, the Become a Fan button becomes the same as adding to bookmarks. Once we figure out these details, I will be able to move forward.

2-3 screenshots showing where the buttons will be placed would be very helpful.

Thank you!

Max Romanchenko: Hopefully I can answer everything.

Once a user becomes a fan, add confetti on the page to celebrate.

Amrayu78 Thanks for the details, I've already started working on it.

I have a question about this part:

“... If not, the button will appear on the Person/Group's page, but also in the user's profile.”

But, there can be many buttons...

Perhaps a screenshot of the user's profile is needed.

How I imagine it.

Create a new section in the user profile on the left “Oshi Shrines” (like a Watchlist, Downloads...)

Display a list of people/groups that the user clicked “Become a fan” on and indicate whether a Oshi Shrine page has been created, if not, display the “Add Oshi Shrine” button opposite this title.

Max Romanchenko: Yes! You're headed in the right direction.

I've mocked something up in the meantime.

Amrayu78 I'm sharing my progress with you. It's partially working already, so please test it and let me know if it's what you had in mind. We may need to make some adjustments before we go too far.

For now, here are my questions for the next step:

Max Romanchenko: I'll test in more detail later today, but on initial testing, I found that after I became a fan and wanted to create an Oshi Shrine, the field wasn't pre-filled with the person/group's name.

The URL shows as undefined:

Max Romanchenko: Once created, the page fails to load anything.

Amrayu78 Thank you for your comments. Yes, the Oshi Shrine template does not show anything yet. But the posts themselves are being created and can be seen in the admin panel:

Max Romanchenko got it. What about the prefill when you create an oshi shrine?

Amrayu78 I'm working on it and will fix it soon.

Amrayu78 I fixed it.

Amrayu78 I also think that something could be improved, such as the step-by-step creation of Shrine. After all, this is for users, not administrators, so it should be more fun. I also think that it is difficult, but it would be better to abandon the Shrine editing form and do completely inline editing of blocks directly on the Oshi Shrine page. This should improve the user experience. What do you think?

Max Romanchenko What do you mean abandon Shrine editing form? You mean adding from the nav?

Also let me answer your questions from earlier, I was a bit busy this morning with grocery shopping and other chores, so I couldn't answer.

Will Oshi Shrine have a separate page/archive? Or will it be like episodes, in a tab? <-- Yes, let's have a separate archive page like custom lists. I want users to be able to see what shrines are available. I think it's also a good idea to put every available shrine for a person/group in a separate tab too? Will this be too intensive on the db?

You indicated in Canva that Oshi Shrine will be linked to Dramas, Movies, and Specials. But the primary link is to a person or group, right? That is, the link to the title is created when the user adds their top credits for the person/group? <-- I was initially thinking to add this Oshi Shrine to Dramas, Movies and Specials too, but a Drama, Movie, Special is very short-lived and not sustainable. You can ignore my comments about this.

I think the primary link (to a person or group) cannot be edited, right? Otherwise, it will be confusing when all the content/comments are dedicated to one person, and if you allow editing, there may be misunderstandings. In that case, you just need to delete the page and create one for the correct person/group. <-- Yes, we do not want users to edit an actual Person/Group page. There will be comments on an Oshi Shrine though like Custom Lists.

Top titles are not just a search by Drama, Movie, and Special, but a search by credits of a related person/group, right? It can be cast, crew, or music, am I correct? <-- Yes, that's correct.

Max Romanchenko: So there's one scenario I forgot about. A user at any one time should be able to "un-oshi" from a person/group.

Let me think this through and what that would look like. For now, I think you have enough to work on to keep you busy. lol

Max Romanchenko: Here's the mockup for the Person page: https://www.canva.com/design/DAGq2ghQkas/3MnijdT_AMm50XlRf99WOA/view?utm_content=DAGq2ghQkas&utm_campaign=designshare&utm_medium=link2&utm_source=uniquelinks&utlId=h9722281dc5

Amrayu78 Thank you for your answers.

Currently, we have a Become a fan button (it has two states: add fan/remove fan) and a second button that creates Shrine. This is already functioning. If you need anything changed, please let me know.

Amrayu78 Perhaps this should be considered after the work on Oshi Shrain is complete? Some things may change during the process. What do you think? I'm a little lost right now and don't know what to do first, my head is a little heavy because of the number of tasks... )

- New Known field: I don't understand, can you give an example of what type of field this is, whether we have similar ones, and an example of a specific person would be very helpful.

Max Romanchenko: Yes, you don't need to focus on this piece yet. Once you're done with the Oshi Shrine, updating the people/group pages will be easier. I just wanted to add this before I forgot. Let me update the main post so this doesn't get lost in the comments.

Max Romanchenko:

No, I meant the form itself. That is, there won't be a large “Edit Me!” form, but rather something custom, like adding titles to a list or cast in a title. That is, inline editing of Oshi Shrine. This is due to the complexity of the structure and functionality.

------->Yes, inline editing is OK.

Yes, I think moving it to a separate tab is an separate solution that will help keep the content and functionality organized in a separate tab. I will do this with performance in mind.

---> Thanks.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant not allowing editing of the relationship between the Oshi Shrine and the person/group. For example, if Oshi Shrine was created for person A and all the content is about him, there is probably no particular point in allowing the user to reconnect this Oshi Shrine with person B...?

---->Yes, do not allow editing of the relationship between Oshi Shrine and Person/Group.

Could you explain in more detail, please?

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I'm attaching a screenshot that's in the Person's mockup.

Currently, we have a Become a fan button (it has two states: add fan/remove fan) and a second button that creates Shrine. This is already functioning. If you need anything changed, please let me know.

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Change "Become a Fan" to "Adopt Oshi"

"You're a Fan" to "Your Oshi" (see attached screenshot).

New question: if a user did not click on the Become a Fan button but went to the Oshi Shrine creation form (without person preselection), is that allowed?

-----> No.

Or should it be restricted since he is not yet a fan...?

---> Correct, they need to be a fan first.

Is the featured image needed for Oshi Shrine?

----->Yes, because they may not like the default photo that we've uploaded.

Max Romanchenko: I've split the person pages from this canny. Tagged you in the other one. Feel free to work on that after we're done with Oshi Shrine. Thanks.

Amrayu78 Thank you for splitting this into two tickets.

Let's go back to the first step - the buttons.

I still don't fully understand the process of creating a Oshi Shrine and what new processes should take place at each step. Any additional information would be greatly appreciated. Here are my questions:

For example, when you click on Adopt Oshi, the following actions are performed: 1, 2, 3...

At what stage will he be prompted to create an Oshi Shrine?

Sorry for the extra questions, I'm just a little confused about the buttons, How many will there be at each step?

I want to see the entire process clearly and transparently from start to finish so that I can design it correctly. Thank you.

Max Romanchenko: I'm attaching some notes that I added to the Canva link (you can view it there too scroll to the right).

Become a Fan = Adopt Oshi

Let's change "You're a Fan" to "Oshi Adopted" (this is more clear).

If user drops an oshi, be sure to ask user if they are 100% sure.

Amrayu78 Thank you for the diagram and details! It helped me a lot.

I have a question about this step (Drop Oshi)

Max Romanchenko: I think it should be recorded for both Oshi Shrine and when users Adopts an Oshi.

Some fans may only want to add an Oshi to their profile to show it off and they may not want to create an Oshi Shrine.

Let me mock something up to show this on the user's dashboard.

I've mocked something up and attached it. We may need to create a separate tab for Oshis itself, but allow users a way to "feature" their fave oshis on their user dashboard. Let me know what you think and I can mock that up.

Amrayu78 Thanks for the information.

I still have some questions.

I just want to make sure that this is what you want.

I will describe how it works now.

The Become a Fan / You're a Fan buttons work on the same principle as the Bookmark or Nyan! buttons.

I understand that you want to make it more functional. We will need to store the status, creation date (click), and drop date (if any).

If the user clicks Adopt Oshi again after dropping, the drop date will be deleted, right?

And all this should be stored not in Oshi Shrine, since not every user will want to create it, as you mentioned earlier.

will be recorded in the user's profile when they click on the Adopt Oshi button, right? (I previously thought that this was the creation date of the associated Oshi Shrine, see screenshot). As I understand it, this is not the case, and the date is considered to be the click on the Adopt Oshi button.

And another question:

“I think it should be recorded for both Oshi Shrine and when users Adopt an Oshi.”

Scenario: The user clicked Adopt Oshi (but has not yet created a Shrine), and the date was recorded somewhere.

Then the user creates a shrine. In this case, what should be considered the date of Oshi adoption?

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Drop Oshi

Is the drop date recorded only if the user created a Shrine, or in both cases?

Another scenario.

The user accidentally clicked Adopt an Oshi, and the person/group appeared on their profile. The user then clicked Drop Oshi, but this did not delete the Oshi, but moved it to the Dropped Oshi tab...

So it is now impossible to completely delete it from the profile?

In addition to the confusion with the buttons and their states, we also need to manage Oshi Shrines, which will also have their own Actions and editing forms.

Is this the optimal workflow? Please consider my questions as an attempt to understand the overall goal and don't be too harsh on me, pretty please ;)

All changes are possible, I just want to clarify whether I understood everything correctly. Because you mentioned Subtitle projects as an example, but there everything is simpler—when I click on Adopt Me on Drama page, I am immediately offered to create a Project post, and drop status is a term for an already created project.

Max Romanchenko thanks for the questions. These are all valid questions. I realize that I’m trying to overoptimize and over complicate these dates. Let’s keep it simple. Let’s not auto record the dates when this Become a Fan button is pushed. If the user clicks it, then give them an option in the dashboard to add a date or year. Once a fan wants to drop an oshi, that’s when the drop oshi date field appears in the dashboard. I think this will be easier to maintain. So this is like a three part feature, oshi list, oshi shrine, and the person page.

But once a date is filled out in the oshi list, these dates can be also added to an oshi shrine if they exist.

Amrayu78

Thank you for the explanation, but I would like to ask... again :)

Max Romanchenko:

Is it something like a watchlist with its start and end dates?

Yes.

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Both dates are optional. The user can set the creation date and the drop date, correct?

Yes.

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I think the user's date input should be standardized, like a calendar? What do you think?

Yes, calendar is fine, but manual input should be available too like Drama Air dates.

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Will these dates be displayed somewhere other than the user's profile?

They should also display in Oshi Shrine if available.

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Could I ask you for a mockup of date management in the oshi list?

Yes, let me work on that right now.

Mockup attached. I think we should move Oshis to the left nav as a separate tab. On the user dashboard homepage, only feature the top three for a user, let the user reorder them in Oshis (like Custom List order). If they have more than three, allow users to view all by expanded in a drawer. The Oshis on the user dashboard homepage should be bare minimum like what you have now (no editing features), just data and a link to the Oshi Shrine.

Also added another screenshot to show the 2 separate functions (user homepage and Oshis). This is also available on the Canva link (at the top) https://www.canva.com/design/DAGq1qyILgE/E5qeAbf1BCIUPds797o-BA/view?utm_content=DAGq1qyILgE&utm_campaign=designshare&utm_medium=link2&utm_source=uniquelinks&utlId=h42cb1ec064.

Max Romanchenko I've answered these questions, but I'm sure you have more questions after you look at my answers. lol

Sorry that this is so complex, but it helps that we discuss this through.

Amrayu78 Thanks for the mockup and details, I think that's enough :)

Am I correct in understanding that the drop date is automatically set to the current date (if the user clicks yes in popup promt) and this date can be edited (pencil icon)?

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I also have a question about the menu on the left. I would like Oshi Shrines and Oshis to be combined somehow and displayed together. Would it be too much to create two nav link in the menu for Oshi and Oshi Shrine?

Or do you want to have them separately in the menu?

Am I correct in understanding that the drop date is automatically set to the current date (if the user clicks yes in popup promt) and this date can be edited (pencil icon)?

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Yes, you can auto set the current date, but allow the date to be edited after.

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I also have a question about the menu on the left. I would like Oshi Shrines and Oshis to be combined somehow and displayed together. Would it be too much to create two nav link in the menu for Oshi and Oshi Shrine?

Or do you want to have them separately in the menu?

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Good idea, let's combine them then. Let's just name it Oshis.

Amrayu78 I've made progress with the buttons, user dashboard, date editing form, and manual reordering. Please check it out before moving on.

Max Romanchenko: I tested everything and it is working as expected.

One thing though. The reordering may be problematic. Is it possible to add a "reorder" toggle first, and then allow users to reorder? I'm scared people will reorder accidentally and it may be frustrating. This is what happened with cast before.

Amrayu78 Done, please check it.

Max Romanchenko Great! It's working.

Can you rename the text? I just want things to be concise as possible.

Reorder Mode = Reorder

Done Reordering = Done

Amrayu78 Sure, done.

Max Romanchenko Thanks! This is piece is good to go.

Amrayu78 I have a question about the Username's Collection photo section.

Will the uploader, as in the episodes where you can also add a caption, meet the requirements?

I also think that a separate page for all photos is unnecessary. I can add a “Show more” button or use a slider.

Max Romanchenko Yes! This works for the user's collection photo section.

Max Romanchenko There is one thing that I've been meaning to ask. Is it difficult to allow users to go to the next image like a gallery but in expanded/zoomed in view?

Amrayu78 Thank you!

I don't think we need a separate page for all the photos. I can make a “Show more” button or a slider. What do you think?

Max Romanchenko Maybe a show more button then.

Amrayu78 Of course, I'll think about it, it definitely makes sense.